Comments on: If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck… http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/ don't ever be caught misinformed again. Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:41:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Daniel http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Daniel Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:33:14 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-792 I couldn't understand some parts of this article If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting. I couldn’t understand some parts of this article If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.

]]> By: Danielle http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Danielle Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:57:14 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-541 I like to think I'm open-minded when it comes to letting others live their own life the way they see fit. But in this instance, although they are not hurting me, and I no one can do anything to stop them, I don't think it should have happened. If you are "transgendered" you are born believing that you were born in the wrong body, according to many people who are transgendered. If you feel like you are man in a woman's body and you go the lengths of taking hormone treatments, changing your physical appearance and legally changing your sex to be a male. Then that is life you have chosen. I don't think there is anything wrong with that part. But when you include a child in the mix and the man is the one carrying this baby I believe that's where the line has been crossed. I know men can have the same desire as a woman to have a biological child, but I do not believe they have the desire to give birth to a child. Men can not carry children and if he decides he wants to then he should no longer be considered a man legally. And to say it isn't hurting anyone is true of the people leaving comments here, but this has major potential to hurt that baby. Maybe the hormones will be fine, maybe it's been researched that that baby has the same chances as any other baby of being healthy, and of course I hope it is. But the emotional things this kid is going to have to deal with have great potential to hurt him or her. Kids are brutal, adults are brutal, and they are not doing anything to hide this story. They are going on Oprah, it's all over the news, and they are writing a book. There's not a chance in hell, in my opinion, that this kid is not going to be taunted and teased in horrible ways. There are other ways, they could have adopted or had a surrogate carry the child. If you want to be a man then fine, but you can't be a man "sometimes." I like to think I’m open-minded when it comes to letting others live their own life the way they see fit. But in this instance, although they are not hurting me, and I no one can do anything to stop them, I don’t think it should have happened. If you are “transgendered” you are born believing that you were born in the wrong body, according to many people who are transgendered. If you feel like you are man in a woman’s body and you go the lengths of taking hormone treatments, changing your physical appearance and legally changing your sex to be a male. Then that is life you have chosen. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that part. But when you include a child in the mix and the man is the one carrying this baby I believe that’s where the line has been crossed. I know men can have the same desire as a woman to have a biological child, but I do not believe they have the desire to give birth to a child. Men can not carry children and if he decides he wants to then he should no longer be considered a man legally. And to say it isn’t hurting anyone is true of the people leaving comments here, but this has major potential to hurt that baby. Maybe the hormones will be fine, maybe it’s been researched that that baby has the same chances as any other baby of being healthy, and of course I hope it is. But the emotional things this kid is going to have to deal with have great potential to hurt him or her. Kids are brutal, adults are brutal, and they are not doing anything to hide this story. They are going on Oprah, it’s all over the news, and they are writing a book. There’s not a chance in hell, in my opinion, that this kid is not going to be taunted and teased in horrible ways. There are other ways, they could have adopted or had a surrogate carry the child. If you want to be a man then fine, but you can’t be a man “sometimes.”

]]> By: Ashlei http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Ashlei Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:46:05 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-539 I agree!  I like where this is going and to hear the responses.  And I think its fine to have our own judgements and opinions...like you said, it is the higher powers place to really sort it out.To answer your question, I think that would be absolutely wrong.  I like to stick to the basics.  Morals, for me, are simple.  I feel very strongly that if something someone is doing is not directly harming other or themselves, then (generally) they are morally okay.  If something someone is doing harms anyone else, regardless of how they feel or what they feel about it, it is wrong.  As in, a person attracted to children, no matter how natural it feels to them, is wrong because it harms the child.  A person choosing to live as a man and have a committed relationship with a woman is not harming anyone (offending many, actually directly harming anyone? no way).  Or another example...someone who is racist: they believe what they are doing is right, but their opinion harms an entire race of people...so I think they are wrong.  That's just how it works in my head.  I know I'm not right about everything either.  But I feel very strongly against discriminating against someone for any other reason except that they might be harming another individual...if what they are doing isn't hurting anybody, then as freaked out as I may be by it...I think they have the right to go ahead. I agree!  I like where this is going and to hear the responses.  And I think its fine to have our own judgements and opinions…like you said, it is the higher powers place to really sort it out.To answer your question, I think that would be absolutely wrong.  I like to stick to the basics.  Morals, for me, are simple.  I feel very strongly that if something someone is doing is not directly harming other or themselves, then (generally) they are morally okay.  If something someone is doing harms anyone else, regardless of how they feel or what they feel about it, it is wrong.  As in, a person attracted to children, no matter how natural it feels to them, is wrong because it harms the child.  A person choosing to live as a man and have a committed relationship with a woman is not harming anyone (offending many, actually directly harming anyone? no way).  Or another example…someone who is racist: they believe what they are doing is right, but their opinion harms an entire race of people…so I think they are wrong.  That’s just how it works in my head.  I know I’m not right about everything either.  But I feel very strongly against discriminating against someone for any other reason except that they might be harming another individual…if what they are doing isn’t hurting anybody, then as freaked out as I may be by it…I think they have the right to go ahead.

]]> By: Lauren http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-538 Lauren Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:39:04 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-538 Ya know, I am just so intrigued by this story. I really love people. I do. And think everyone has a right to live however they want, but I am very opinionated on where I stand about it. It's funny because I was talking my husband about this, and I was like, "Do I sound intolerant?" And he said, "Yes, but is it a bad thing to be intolerant of WRONG?" Kind of made me chuckle, and some would probably bawlk at such a remark and think we're passing judgement... which I'm not really, I'll leave to the Big Man himself. But here's my question for Ashlei... what about people who are just naturally attracted to children? Some people this is a real urge that they fight every day, and may lead them to depression, suicide, etc. What if we just let them act on their urges? I know I'm probably sparking lots of argument here... but different opinions make things interesting. Ya know, I am just so intrigued by this story. I really love people. I do. And think everyone has a right to live however they want, but I am very opinionated on where I stand about it. It’s funny because I was talking my husband about this, and I was like, “Do I sound intolerant?” And he said, “Yes, but is it a bad thing to be intolerant of WRONG?” Kind of made me chuckle, and some would probably bawlk at such a remark and think we’re passing judgement… which I’m not really, I’ll leave to the Big Man himself. But here’s my question for Ashlei… what about people who are just naturally attracted to children? Some people this is a real urge that they fight every day, and may lead them to depression, suicide, etc. What if we just let them act on their urges? I know I’m probably sparking lots of argument here… but different opinions make things interesting.

]]> By: Ashlei http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-534 Ashlei Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:23:32 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-534 Yeah the woman couldn't have a baby. And if you watch the episode of Oprah (I did on youtube), I think it explains many of the comments you all brought up on here. The testosterone made the formerly female person's clitoris enlarge to form what is described as a "small penis" (Oprah asked). And the testosterone apparently doesn't have an affect on the baby...I have no idea because I am an art major. I think I'm a little shocked by such negative responses from people. They have the desire to bring a healthy baby into a healthy marriage. I guess my logic makes me think, why are so many people so against this when it isn't affecting them or hurting anyone. I personally am very close to the lesbian and gay community as a friend and supporter, but do not understand transgender. I'm a firm believer in embracing your gender. But I support people who choose to do it because it is what brings them peace and happiness. Do you think it better that Thomas remain a woman for his life if, hypothetically, maybe that made him depressed, suicidal, or unable to live a fulfilled life. Him choosing to be a him only enhanced his life so why the hell should it matter how much it creeps out someone else...focus on enhancing your own life instead of criticizing his. And for the people who would say they are only thinking of the child...that's what many people said about multi-racial couples, gay couples, etc...it's close minded. No one lives a perfect life, and if these parents are willing to try to raise a healthy and happy child that will bring they joy and hopefully bring joy to it...then more power to them. In a world where so many children are concieved by accident and raised as such...its nice to see people have the desire to be parents and are making it happen. Yeah the woman couldn’t have a baby. And if you watch the episode of Oprah (I did on youtube), I think it explains many of the comments you all brought up on here. The testosterone made the formerly female person’s clitoris enlarge to form what is described as a “small penis” (Oprah asked). And the testosterone apparently doesn’t have an affect on the baby…I have no idea because I am an art major.

I think I’m a little shocked by such negative responses from people. They have the desire to bring a healthy baby into a healthy marriage. I guess my logic makes me think, why are so many people so against this when it isn’t affecting them or hurting anyone. I personally am very close to the lesbian and gay community as a friend and supporter, but do not understand transgender. I’m a firm believer in embracing your gender. But I support people who choose to do it because it is what brings them peace and happiness. Do you think it better that Thomas remain a woman for his life if, hypothetically, maybe that made him depressed, suicidal, or unable to live a fulfilled life. Him choosing to be a him only enhanced his life so why the hell should it matter how much it creeps out someone else…focus on enhancing your own life instead of criticizing his.

And for the people who would say they are only thinking of the child…that’s what many people said about multi-racial couples, gay couples, etc…it’s close minded. No one lives a perfect life, and if these parents are willing to try to raise a healthy and happy child that will bring they joy and hopefully bring joy to it…then more power to them. In a world where so many children are concieved by accident and raised as such…its nice to see people have the desire to be parents and are making it happen.

]]> By: Laura S http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-531 Laura S Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:49:13 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-531 What I heard on the news (I forget which station) was that he decided to carry the child because his wife was unable to concieve. Okay. But I think that's a good point about his hormone treatments... maybe it won't have any effect on the baby, but if it does have an effect it probably won't be good. What I heard on the news (I forget which station) was that he decided to carry the child because his wife was unable to concieve. Okay. But I think that’s a good point about his hormone treatments… maybe it won’t have any effect on the baby, but if it does have an effect it probably won’t be good.

]]> By: Carter Lemi Cartalemi http://msinformedblog.com/current-events/ok-wait-a-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-523 Carter Lemi Cartalemi Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:21:11 +0000 http://msinformedblog.com/?p=364#comment-523 I have to agree with all of you. I don't get how this guy is considered a man and how they are legally married. Not that I don't think they should be allowed to get married, but according to the law - they shouldn't. Maybe the law is wrong but it's still the law. This is just a woman on testosterone pregnant with a man's child. The whole thing seems really weird to me. I feel bad for the baby whose going to be born into this greedy freak show. If you want to be pregnant, fine. If you want to be a man, fine. But you shouldn't be allowed to have both. Especially if you're doing it for the publicity. Come on, there is a line, and I think they've grossed it. I have to agree with all of you. I don’t get how this guy is considered a man and how they are legally married. Not that I don’t think they should be allowed to get married, but according to the law – they shouldn’t. Maybe the law is wrong but it’s still the law. This is just a woman on testosterone pregnant with a man’s child. The whole thing seems really weird to me. I feel bad for the baby whose going to be born into this greedy freak show. If you want to be pregnant, fine. If you want to be a man, fine. But you shouldn’t be allowed to have both. Especially if you’re doing it for the publicity. Come on, there is a line, and I think they’ve grossed it.

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